Spiritual Journey & Self-Awareness w/ Cynthia Jamieson
If you've ever felt like you've lived many lives in one lifetime, or you've been sensing that you're standing on the precipice of change but can't quite name what's coming…this chat with Cynthia might just find you inspired to trust yourself even more and discover how self-awareness unlocks your spiritual journey.
In this deeply spiritual guest episode, leadership coach Cynthia Jamieson shares how developing self-awareness and being present on your spiritual journey opens you to receive guidance, strengthen your psychic intuition, and hear your Higher Self clearly.
Whether you're navigating life transitions or preparing for your next spiritual evolution, this episode explores how to stop blocking your own path and trust the callings meant for you.
In this episode, you'll discover:
How cultivating self-awareness and being present on your spiritual journey strengthens your connection to psychic intuition and Higher Self guidance without mental interference
Why having a spiritual guide helps you see the blocks you've created and supports you through major life transitions with greater clarity and trust
The power of embracing the unknown in your spiritual growth, from priestess training to solopreneur evolution, and how to trust what's unfolding even when you can't articulate it yet
About Cynthia Jamieson: Cynthia is a coach, guide, and self-described seeker who is living and loving her life more than ever before. With a corporate background in human resources and a passion for leading others to lead themselves, Cynthia has embraced many roles throughout her life; daughter, sister, mother, wife, professional, and now solopreneur. She hosts the podcast "Uncharted and Unfiltered: A Journey Back to You" and created the Be the Light community (now The Self-Trust Arc™), a free space for people who want to live, lead, and be the light for themselves and others.
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Welcome to the School for Psychics podcast.
I'm your host and founder, psychic medium,
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Crystal Moreland. Psychic work has carried
stigma for long enough to in large part to
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people operating out of integrity and utilizing
unsafe practices. More than that, so many
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that are operating from integrity are walking
around only half confident in their gifts,
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which ultimately does a disservice to your
clients, yourself, and the collective. I'm
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here to change that. Throughout this podcast,
you'll hear inspiring stories from other spiritual
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entrepreneurs And I'll share some of the wisdom
I've gained throughout years of teaching psychic
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development in practical, simple ways that
uphold the highest standards of integrity across
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the industry. If you're ready to become the
confident, clear channel you came here to be
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and help change the psychic industry for the
better, I invite you to visit my website
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at theschoolforspsychics.com where you'll find
courses, programs, and mentorship opportunities
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that serve anyone, whether you're a beginner
or advanced or anywhere in between.
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Welcome back. Today's conversation is one for
the soul seekers, the deep divers, and anyone
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standing on the precipice of change. I'm joined
by my special guest, Cynthia Jamieson, a coach,
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guide, and self-described seeker who's living
and loving her life more than ever before.
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In today's episode, you're going to hear us
dive deep into what it means to truly discover
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who you are beneath all the roles that you've
played, how to get out of your own way, and
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why having a guide can help you see the blocks
that you've created for yourself. But before
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we dive in, I wanna take a quick moment and
let you know that enrollment is now open for
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the Conscious Psychic Certification Program.
This is a 20-week hybrid certification that's
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unlike anything else out there. It's designed
to build your confidence as a psychic, not
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just teach you technique. You'll get personalized
feedback on your readings straight from me.
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Learn my Higher Self Integration Method for
creating a clear channel that you can trust
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live monthly Q &A calls with me, and so much
more. You can find all the details and enroll
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at the link in the show notes. Now back to today's
episode. You're going hear Cynthia share her
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journey from working in human resources to becoming
a solopreneur. And we also talk about embracing
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the unknown, being present in the moment, and
preparing for priestess training. We will explore
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in this episode how being present opens you
up to hear your intuition, receive spiritual
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guidance, and recognize the visions and callings
that are meant for you. So if you've ever felt
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like you've lived many lives in one lifetime,
Or if you're sensing that you're on the edge
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of something new but you can't quite name it
yet, this episode is for you. Let's dive in.
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I am here with a very special guest today.
Her name is Cynthia Jamieson. And we were
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just talking about it before I hit record that
we are about to go on a spiritual journey.
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And I think that's exactly where we're going
to go today. How are you, Cynthia? I am well.
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I am well. And I am. As Crystal knows, in it
for the depths. I love it. Yes. So I have no
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idea where we're going to go, but here we are.
I love that you're just so graciously willing
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to just go wherever. I think it's so cool. Well,
I think it's only in the going where we're
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ever that we can actually discover what's there.
Yeah. You're so right. Like if we don't. have
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the willingness to not keep ourselves from
all the spaces that maybe scare us or make
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us nervous or going into the unknown. We're
really limiting our experience and our path
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forward, right? Yeah, this is already going
to be good. We could give an invitation. is,
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I'm feeling very called to share one of You
always work with clients that leave impressions
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on you. And I have had the experience of working
with this client who said to me, and this is
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a visual metaphor, I just love it so much and
it sounds like it would totally fit here,
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of let's put our scuba gear on. Right? We've
got our air tanks on, we're gonna put our scuba
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gear on and we're gonna dive in and see what
treasures. we can discover. This is so good.
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This is so good because, well, OK, I'm going
to get ahead of myself. Before I dive into
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that metaphor, I love where our guides are
already taking us with this. Before I dive
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into that metaphor, us the lowdown, the down
and dirty about who you are, what you do,
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all the things. And introduce yourself. Okay,
so the down and dirty I'm like, okay, I don't
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I've never been presented with that as a question.
Hmm. who I am is I would define myself at
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this point as a leader and a seeker. I have
always been someone who has been seeking a
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path and not really sure at times what that
path was. And I can absolutely get lost along
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my journey of seeking this path. And m to kind
of go back a little bit to give you, fill
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in some of the foundational pieces. mean,
who am I? am someone who has spent a great
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deal of time in working in human resources.
I've always had a passion for people. I always
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have defined myself as someone who my job found
me. I didn't really find it. It just kind of
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came up and was invited to me. Would you like
to do this? Yeah, sure. That sounds great.
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um And I'm a mom. I have two sons. I'm trying
to think about what their ages are, but it
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really doesn't matter. I have two sons. have
children. I have four grandchildren. I am
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married and I am living and loving my life
more now than I ever have before. And so for
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listeners to qualify that, um, I will be 60
next year. And I feel like I've lived many
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lives, right? Like roles that we have, that
we play. feel like I've, you know, I've been
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the daughter. I've been the sister. I've been
the mother. I've been the wife. I've been the
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professional. And now. I get to be the solo
printer. And all of those different roles
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and phases have helped me uncover and discover
who I am in all of those. And so it seems like
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I've lived many lives. Yeah. Which is so cool.
Like being able to reflect back and really
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feel that way. It shows evolution, right? And
growth and change and a willingness for all
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that. And it's not just, this is my life. This
is what I live. Yeah. And sometimes like purely
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forget, oh yes, I did that too. Oh yes, I did
that too. Right? Just having conversations
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with people, meeting new people. And when they
ask you, things or if you are a certain place
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and you're like, Oh, actually, I used to, I
used to work there. I used to do this thing.
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I used to be in this environment. Um, it's
kind of surprising sometimes I'm like, Oh yes,
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I've kind of just left that part there. Yeah.
It's literally like past lives, right? Like,
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Oh no, that's the awareness now. Right? Absolutely.
And so I also, as I'm saying this right here,
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right now, I feel very much like I'm on the
precipice of some change that I cannot articulate
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in my life. I'm like, okay, so this is just
another opportunity to see that it's there.
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I can feel and sense all of that kind of nervous
energy around what will that be like? What
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will it feel like? Who knows who will I become
then? What will I let go of in order to say
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yes to that? So I think Yeah, we can totally
forget and what I've learned to do is just
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appreciate when those moments or those memories
are coming back to me. That's like, oh yes,
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I was that and.
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Yeah. Something else that has unfolded from
that. And a lot of that has unfolded in my
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work with you. So for those of we haven't shared
with the listeners, I mean, I have worked
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with you as my guide over the last year and
being able to discover all those different
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ways and places where I was in my own way, creating
my own blocks. Which we all do, right? Like
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I'm an expert in that as well. We all are.
And I think that's the value of having a guide
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because in and of my own accord, sometimes I
won't get out of my own way. I'll just stay
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there because it's comfortable. And knowing
that I have somebody in my corner holding my
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vision, holding me accountable, being willing
to mirror back to me the ways and places that
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I am. blocking my way in my old pattern or
in a new one.
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that can lovingly invite you out or. Make
it so uncomfortable that it's like, oh, yeah,
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this is really this is like the shirt that doesn't
fit Let me let me give them like let me actually
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support myself in what I need so that I can
step into that next thing that next version
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that next choice that next action and Witnessing
you do that has been so huge because I see
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it from both ends of the spectrum, right? There's
people that are Ready and willing to just do
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the damn thing Right? Just like you have been.
Because we get to this place and I know for
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me, I think it's just maybe even human nature.
Like, we have to get tired of our own shit
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before willing to do something different, right?
ah It doesn't make us any worse or better than
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anybody else. It's just kind of human nature,
right? Because we do get comfortable. And
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there are people that are willing... once they
get to a certain point to go, OK, what do I
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got to do to change? It might not feel good.
It might feel uncomfortable. might not, you
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know, it might lead me into the unknown, and
I'm not really sure what I'm going to find
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there. Is it going to be OK? And they go. And
then there are people that are like, I'm going
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to fight tooth and nail, right? And I used to
be one of those people where I would fight
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tooth and nail through the change. seeing you
go through and be so willing. to show up to
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the various aspects because when you talk about
living multiple lifetimes in this one life,
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I feel like I have seen you shift through
multiple lifetimes just in the last year alone,
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which brings me back to your analogy, which
is so fun to me because when I first met you,
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you talk about putting on the scuba gear and
diving. When I first met you, the analogy
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that came through, from the guides was literally
about being in the water and going in the
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deep end. And you were like, oh, hell no. Like,
don't like the water. I don't want anywhere
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near it. I don't want to be like, why is this
analogy coming through? And to see you sit
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here in front of me and speak in excitement,
in elatement, in like wonder and curiosity
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about willingly diving to the depths. Well,
so there's literal depths and metaphorical
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depths, emotional depths, and I'm willing to
go in all of them except for the physical.
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Yeah. Which, And, that comes you'll see that
come to fruition in the future. Yeah, I think
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so too. I mean, so the reason why I had a hesitation
to like literally dive into things, I mean,
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I've had three near drowning experiences. Holy
cannoli. At a very young age. And that just
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created a bit of hesitation for me. And I'm
working with myself in the background. And
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that's why these metaphors can really be useful.
It can help you take, it can help you take
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yourself outside of yourself. Yeah. Right? And
because if I'm looking at it as a metaphor,
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if I'm thinking about, okay, I want to get my
scuba gear on, I absolutely will be the person
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who's on the side of the pool, hesitating to
jump in, which comes back to what you just
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said earlier, right? Like, I can, I can recognize
that I'm not doing the damn thing. And the
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question is, how long are you willing to stay
on the side of the pool? How long are you willing?
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to sit in the shit. How long are willing to
sit in the same pattern? How long are you willing
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before you make a change? Yeah. and having
that invitation. Okay. So the pool is right
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there, Cynthia. I remember you saying that to
me. Like it's right there. Are you going to
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jump in or not? And that was really the choice.
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And the way that you mirrored back to me, like,
it's like you're dipping your toe in all the
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places, but I didn't want to get wet. Yeah.
And it's so beautiful the way that you've come
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at it because like you said, you've, you've
been really going into the depths emotionally,
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mentally, spiritually, like all the ways, right?
Minus the physical in currently, but When
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we have something that is such a physical reality
for us, right? And it could be an emotional
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trauma, it can be a physical trauma, could be,
right? When we have something like that,
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it's not just holding us hostage in the physical,
right? It's impacting everywhere we go. So
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when you look back over the course of your life,
right? I'm sure that you can see places where
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you would only dip your toe in, right? Only
say so much, only show up so much, right?
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It translates. We always look at things in such
very linear and boxed in spaces of, well, this
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is only, it's me jumping into a physical pool
that I'm uncomfortable with, right? That is
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course. It's not going to have anything to do
with my career. It's not going have anything
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to do with my spirituality. It's not going to
have anything to do with my finances, right?
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But it all translates in one form or fashion.
It's evident in different places in our lives.
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And the fact that you have been so willing to
so many people are like, well, if I can't get
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in the pool, I just got to force myself to get
in the pool. That's the thing. That's the cure.
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That's the answer. That's solution. And what
I have seen you do so powerfully is like, okay,
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maybe I'm not willing to get in the pool right
now. And that's okay. Because I am willing
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to get in the pool emotionally, to go to the
depths spiritually, to do, you know what I
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mean? Absolutely. that the only way around is
through, that is the through line, right? And
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we come to the actual ability to tackle whatever
the thing is, whether it is physical or mental
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or spiritual or whatever, right? Emotional,
we come to the ability to do that, not by facing
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it directly. Most often we come to it by going
through the other areas. Absolutely. And what's
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coming up for me as you share that is this
narrative that I grew up with myself, which
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is like this idea of like, well, who are you
to lead anyway? Like, who are you to? Of course,
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later in life, the lead anyway came there. But
like, who are you to have an opinion? Speak
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up. Stand up. Have an idea. have a vision, right?
so, and I think all of us have some sort of
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a narrative that we either have been born into
or we have heard or we have picked up through,
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and through no fault of our parents. I mean,
they're doing the best they can. And my kids
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are going to have shit that they're like my
mom, you know? And mine, mine as well. And
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I've, I've talked to my kids about this. And
it's like, hey, I just want you to know that
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I anticipate at some point you're going to have
some problem, something, and it's going to
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come back to me. And I'm here if you ever want
to talk about that. Because I think just in
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the act of being human, it's like, of course,
of course, we're going to lay down patterning
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and we're going to lay down conditions and we're
going to lay down said and unsaid things that
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they will pick up through osmosis. 100%. And
it's not to take us off the hook as parents
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or just individuals walking through the world.
But we ourselves signed up for those lessons,
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for those challenges, for those specific familial
patterns, for that group of people. That's
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who you chose. That's who you wanted. And um
our children too. And I have to remember that
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sometimes as a mom, like when I come into those
moments of like, oh, I could have done that
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differently, right? OK, there's something in
this for all of us, right? There's learning
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in it for me. There's opportunity and growth
in it for me. There's also something in it
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for my child. Absolutely. And it's been very
freeing to recognize. that not only did I
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come here as a soul at this time to be here
now, but so too did they. And I want to go
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back to something which is about like this narrative
that I think we all have to some degree.
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The invitation that I would have that I've given
myself and I just want to offer other people
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to think about is, is answering that question.
Whatever that story is that your brain is giving
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you. because it was only in the answering of
that question for me that I was able to peel
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away the layers, right? Like who was I, who
are you too? Like sit with yourself, walk
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with yourself, whatever feels good to you,
but find a way to answer that question so that
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you can begin to see yourself. You can begin
to build evidence for who you are. in a way
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that feels incredible, in a way that allows
you to step into your, like the way that you,
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the way that only you. can show up in the
world. Like there is, I say this all of the
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time. And sometimes I think we don't really
get it, which is like there is not another
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human being in the world like Crystal Moreland
with your set of values, skills, talents, expertise,
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thoughts, questions, ideas, presence. And I
think we forget that. We do. It's so easy.
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So easy to compare and despair and, that's your
gift, right? Like your gift, your presence
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to be here with you in this moment. This is
the biggest gift. that you can give me that
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I can give you. Yeah. I think that's so beautiful.
And if more people showed up in life that way.
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It's like, you don't have to try to be. You
just simply are. that's enough. To allow it.
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To allow it. Yes. Yes, because. yourself to
be. If you're not willing to allow yourself,
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right, to just be. It's just kind of like what
you said at the beginning, right? When we're
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not willing to go into some of the places, we
keep ourselves from experiencing what we're
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here to experience. And you have lived such
a beautiful example of what it means to be
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ever evolving, ever changing, ever growing,
and also be willing to be in the midst of
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the change. Right? And I think that At least
from what I've seen, just, and it runs rampant
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in the spiritual community. think that it's
just because we're all trying to find ourselves.
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We all find ourselves in this space at some
point or another where we are questioning what
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are we here to do? How are we meant to have
purpose and meaning and impact in the world?
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And so we get lost on these little wild goose
chases. within ourselves, right? Looking outside
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of ourselves for the things and it's in the
being. It's in the allowing yourself to be
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in the moment. It's in that gift of presence,
right? That moment leads to the next leads
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to the next. And that is uncomfortable. Like
sometimes really uncomfortable, but there's
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a gift in it too. And I would love for you
to speak on this because I think this is, and
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I know even when I was going through My spiritual
awakening, I remember being like, gotta find
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the thing, right? Like gotta know what I'm here
to do. That's just what I'm gonna do for the
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rest of my life. And you and I are both manifesting
generators. we are not just, know, like we
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are meant for lots of different curiosities,
right? But it's almost like that bit of control,
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that bit of comfort that it... provides our
brain to say, oh, OK, I know where I'm going.
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I know what I'm doing. I don't have to worry
about something unexpected around the corner.
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I can just coast. I can just show up to this.
And I would love for you to speak on how
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you've had so many different evolution. Like,
if you look back 20 years ago, would you ever
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have dreamed that you're where you are today?
Hell no. Yeah. In fact, I remember even just
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a year ago, when you and I first met, you had
a reading with me. And there was something
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that came through in that reading that was like
a year from now, you will not be the same person.
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Life will look different. I don't remember exactly
how they said it. Yep. And then just recently,
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it was like, OK, good job. Now, get fucking
ready, because next year is going to be wild.
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You are not going to know her. It's absolutely
incredibly true. And hand on heart, would
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have no, the former versions of me would have
had no idea that this would be my life now.
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And what's fascinating about that is in following
the, like the through line, if I go back and
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think about, okay, what was present there? that's
present here. And it was this desire to follow
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the like, bright prems, if you will. Right,
or follow the little seeds of sand that get
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dropped in along the way. And I can look back
and see that doors opened, paths were illuminated,
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and I made decisions to walk through certain
paths. And without walking through the path,
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I didn't and wouldn't have been able to see
the next set of doors. Yeah. Right. Or if we
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go back to the, to the analogy and I've never
been a diver, so I don't know if what I'm going
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to say is going to make sense. our lack of technical
knowledge. Just going with what comes through.
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Like if I'm, if I'm going down to the depths
and I'm on the ocean floor, uh and I'm discovering
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some beautiful plants, I don't know what else
is there unless I go a little further. And
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maybe I need to go a little to the left or maybe
I need to go a little to the right. And then
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maybe there's a cave that I come across. And
then maybe if I go in there, there's another
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throughway that I can take. But unless I go
there, I don't know. What was fascinating
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to me is when I left my HR career after almost
40 years in, I don't know, 2022 or 2023, something
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like that, I thought I had made it. Like this
was my life. I was working for myself. I was
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coaching full-time. I was loving my life. I
was loving the work that I was doing. I could
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see and hear and feel the impact that I was
having. And I was like, this is it. This is
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my dream. This is what it has all been for.
And then, that's what always happens. You're
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like, oh, okay. ah This was like, so just to
give you a timeline, this is like April 23rd.
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And then by October, I had joined a mastermind.
And I went to Chicago and it was in that room
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with other beautiful humans that they were talking
about all these different things. Like they,
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they wanted to create a podcast. wanted to create
a program. They wanted to create a mastermind.
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And I was like, wait, what? I could create
a podcast. I could create a program. I could
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create a, I had no idea. And so had I never
put myself in that. I wouldn't have been
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able to discover what was there that lit me
up. What was there that was a door that I wanted
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to open? Knowing full well I could always close
it later. but I wouldn't have known it if I
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didn't go there. And I think that's the thing
that I would say is, if people are, and I
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know people are because this is work that we
do, people are looking for what is the path?
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What is the career? What is the trajectory?
How do I get there? And I think that my experience
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tells me now, That can be amazing if you have
insight into what that is, but also notice
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how it feels along the way. And I feel very
called to qualify that as an HR professional,
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I was a stressed out, overproducing, over-functioning
human being because that's all I knew. And
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I did not know that there was another way. oh
to live and lead your life. I purely didn't
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know it. I can see now that I had different
threads that came in. Like I learned about
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mindfulness at a young age. I learned about
journaling at a young age. I learned about
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exercise and there are all these different things
that were helpful along the way. What I didn't
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know is how to manage my mind. I didn't know
that I had another part of me that could come
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out and be helpful, my own inner cheerleader,
that could be helpful in my journey and having
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and learning how to dialogue with myself in
a way that was kind and compassionate and loving,
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like I would treat a friend. And so learning
that changed everything.
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And that allowed me to then not be so afraid,
so dysregulated that I wouldn't put myself
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in a room because there are versions of me that,
I mean, I was a public, I did a lot of public
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speaking. I did a lot of, um, you know, events
and introductions and speaking and round tables
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and facilitation and all of those things. And
I'm, and I'm sure I did a great job. And
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there's a very felt sense difference when you
have learned to work with and partner with
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your body. Yeah. Then if you're going at all
amped up and like ready and charged up versus
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going and grounded. Absolutely. it's, it's,
you know, I had a client yesterday tell me
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like, I can push through the wall because the
wall is in front of me. when I'm so close
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to the wall, I can't even see that there are
other ways around it. But if I step back and
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take some perspective, there's probably four
or five ways that I could navigate that wall.
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and it's that pause. to able to come back
to your center, your regulation, your connection,
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your intuition, like the place within you that
feels calm that we all have access to that
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I think we just forget. And I get it. I forget
sometimes too, but it's reminding and remembering
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that we have that. and that all of our answers
are here, in our inner wisdom.
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100%. Right. And I mean, Crystal, this is something
you and I talk about. a lot, which is helping
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people become their own Oracle, helping them
find their own answers.
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It's so important, right? It's necessary. Because
so many people are just walking around feeling
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like I don't have the answers. I need someone
who can help. And I want to say, of course.
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Yeah, yeah, it's so natural. Who has taught
us how to regulate our systems? Who has taught
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us how to manage our mind? Who has taught us
how to answer our own questions, or that that's
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even an option? Yeah. Right? We, we buy into
our own brain sometimes in ways that are not
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truly helpful, even if it may be true, it may
not be helpful. And so I think really for me,
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one of the things that has, I would say has
been pivotal, pivotal. I'm not mixing my words
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here has helped me pivot is learning that There
are tools, there are frameworks to help you
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work with you and that there is no one else
in this earth like you. So of course, your
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solution isn't going to be somebody else's solution.
It's going to be yours and only yours. 100%.
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And I love that you said, when you're looking
for the path, when you're looking for the answer,
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if you will, pay attention to how you feel,
like pay attention to your body. I so often
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get the question from clients, like, how do
I know when it's my intuition or my brain,
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right? How do I know if there's something that's
actually meant for me and it's coming through
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or my head's just getting in the way of it,
right? And I'm like, at the end of the day,
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just go with what feels good. Yes. Right? And
I've even found myself in situations where
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I might push against the not so good feelings
for a while. No. Never. Right? Like none of
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us do that ever. We don't just keep grinding
through. But I'll find myself doing that
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grind. And then I'm like, a second. uh Easiest
answer is recognize how it feels like if it
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doesn't feel good no matter what someone else
tells you no matter what Someone else has advised
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you no matter what you've read online no matter
what you have decided For yourself if it doesn't
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feel good. There's a reason for that Right.
It doesn't mean that we avoid the uncomfortable
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Because there's a difference right there's a
difference between This is uncomfortable
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And I recognize that maybe it's a challenge
because it's something new or something that
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I haven't done before. I'm learning something
or I'm walking into something that I haven't
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had awareness of previously. But there's a difference
when it just doesn't fucking feel good. Absolutely.
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Absolutely. And that is when you're like, well,
wake up, right? Your body's trying to tell
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you, wake up. sending you the message. It's
giving you a red flag. There's something here
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to be concerned about. This is not the path.
Yes. And when we are so in our head trying
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to figure it out, trying to know the next steps.
That's why I think it's so valuable that you
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have lived a life that you've just been willing
to follow the breadcrumbs. Because like you
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said, if you hadn't gone through one door,
the next door wouldn't have presented itself.
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You wouldn't have had, right? And for you to
come into, I'd like you to take us through
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what happened after the mastermind because
I think that you've also gone through a large
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spiritual awakening. There's a lot of change
that has occurred for you just as a human being
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and how you think and what you are into and
how you, right? And what I see kind of plagues
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us as humans is that we feel called to something.
Something peaks our interest. Something peaks
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our curiosity. A door opens, and we're like,
oh, that must be the thing. And so we get
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laser focused, and we start to build up in our
minds what this is going to look like and how
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it's going to pan out and what it's, you what
I mean? And we then start tuning out all of
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the other signals that are coming in of like,
now go here, now go here, right? I also do
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see that nothing is wasted. Nothing is not on
purpose. There are no coincidences. Right?
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And so we may start to formulate in our mind
a very specific way that this Lego set is going
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to come together. Right? Like it has to look
like the box. I will never forget just a sidebar.
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And I think this is the analogy will work well
here. I have two sons. And when the oldest
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of the two He didn't get into Legos at a young
age. And quite frankly, as parents, we were
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relieved because when he was young and some
of the other kids his age were into Legos,
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they're like, he doesn't play with Legos? I'm
like, no, he plays with Transformers. He's
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obsessed with Transformers. Legos doesn't touch
him. And then I go to the store and I see the
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Legos sets and I'm like, good god. I want a
small child for this, right, for like a little
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box. But when he started getting into Legos,
his brain works very differently than mine.
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He's also extremely creative in these other
ways. And he would not follow the instructions
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on the box. He wasn't there to build what the
box told him to build. He was there to build
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whatever the hell he felt like. And I'm like,
but it's a box. There's instructions. There's
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exactly this many pieces. for this and there's
exactly this and they're supposed to go here
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and he would create these things. Like my
boys were making transformers out of Legos
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just from their heads. like, how are you even,
my brain cannot wrap around that stuff. But
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I was just amazed. Like you're not limiting
the way that you think this is going to go
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just because you've brought the box home. Right?
And I think so much as us, especially as soulpreneurs,
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because everything's riding on it, right? Like
everything's riding on what we do and how we
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do it and whether it works. I think so often
spirit leads us to the box and we grab the
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box and then we're like, okay, this is exactly
how it's supposed to lay out. And spirit's
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like, no bitch, we just wanted you to have
these extra Lego pieces, like add it to your
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collection because it's going to make this
really beautiful thing. But it's definitely
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not anything that Lego is selling. You just
need the pieces, right? So tell us about
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your spiritual awakening, your journey, the
different pieces that you've picked up along
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the way and just kind of how you've allowed
yourself to willingly open those doors that
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you felt called to without needing it to piece
together in this very specific designed way.
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Well, I would love to tell you that I didn't
want to. put things together in a very specific
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design way, but that's not what happened because
I have, I have this brain that's very linear
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and it's like, okay, well this is, this is the
way you do it. So I had a lot of energy around
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the podcast, the idea of a podcast. And so I
created a podcast. I loved having it. I did
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have support through it and I decided for myself,
how long was I willing? I think this is important.
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that I will share. I asked myself, how long
was I willing to do it with no, no attachment
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to any outcome, whether I had anybody listening,
if I had any feedback, if I had this, if I
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had that, all of that, I had decided ahead of
time, made a ton of decisions around it to
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say, I'm willing to keep going and keep doing
this for an entire year without anything.
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And I built in place for myself. moments of
celebration. So what, when I had the music,
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when I had the first episode, when I had the
first five or whatever it was that I decided
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that I was going to do, but I decided that
ahead of time and that worked really, really
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well. And why is this important? This is important
because what I decided next. the door that
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opened next was I wanted to create a program
and I did. And it looked exactly like everybody
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else's program because I wasn't, I wasn't
trusting myself enough hearing my own way
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of doing it. And I was tied to the Lego box.
It's got to look this way because this is what
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works, right? This is the kind of condition
or this is the kind of container or this is
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the kind of program that will allow you to make
the money, to have the clients come in to do
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the thing. And that my experience was not that
I did it exactly like that. And I can totally
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see why it did not unfold the way that I had
hoped because I didn't allow my own self to
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create it. What did I want to create? What was
it going to look like for me? Did it have to
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be on Thursday at this time? Did it have to
be this many things? Right. And so I say that
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and share that because I think we can get caught
up in what we're attached to. If we're attached
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to what it looks like, how it looks, when it
will happen and aren't able to release ourselves
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from that. Like when you talked about your son,
he wasn't attached to what the Lego instruction
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set said, he's just like, I'm just going to
build whatever I feel like building and allowed
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himself to do that and learned probably as much
or more than putting it together based on the
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box. Yeah. And the thing is, like, There are
going to be times in our lives where we're
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willing to just be like, doesn't feel like
there's as much on the line, right? Yes. And
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then there's also times when we create the
thing or we do the thing or it doesn't work
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out, right? But there's purpose in that, right?
Like if you would not have done that, right?
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I needed to learn that. Yes. Yes. And that's
the thing that I think that we get tripped
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up on a lot is that We want it to be perfect.
Meaning, not necessarily what we create, I
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mean, we want that too, right? We want the creations
to be perfect, but we want the path to be
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perfect. To be perfect. We want the freaking
gravel, little pebble gravel that is got the
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glue mixed in and it's made all smooth and so
you can walk on it barefoot and it doesn't,
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you know, hurt your feet anywhere and just,
ew. Gross. And my guess is you say that now
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because you have enough experience, you can
look back and see that even if the path was
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thorny, bumpy, all sorts of things, you come
to a point in life when you look back and it
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is perfect. Yes. With all of its imperfections.
It's like, you know, if you take the gravel
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path analogy, there are people that go barefoot,
right? they're I don't remember what their
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technical turf but but they're barefoot right
they go barefoot everywhere The thing is, is
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that our feet were designed as much as we like
to have them removed when we go get pedicures
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and things, like they were designed to callous
to protect us, right? So that we can walk on
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any terrain and not, not hurt, right? Getting
to that point is painful. You're going to
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step on some shit. It's going to hurt. And
that's all helping you. Yes. Build the muscle,
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build the callus, allow you to be able to walk,
continue to walk forward. And if I've learned
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anything in my journey, it's checking myself.
What am I attached to? What are the things?
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And I see it like I'm, I'm human, imperfectly
human. mean, incredibly imperfectly human.
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And
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noticing that and having compassion for that.
allowed me to release control, which is what
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it was for me, right? Yeah, there was absolutely
this perfectionism, but also this sense of
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like, oh, I can control this. I can muscle my
way through. I can make this happen, but it
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didn't feel good. It didn't feel good. And so
the elation and the joy that I was experiencing
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before I could see and feel and sense. like,
oh, this doesn't feel as good. So then that's
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not for me. And that gave me again, always answering
this question, who am I to? Right. That was
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the narrative that I was inside. That was the
name of my podcast. And in answering that.
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I was able to put down, it still comes up,
but put down that sense of control, put down
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that sense of perfection, put down the old patterns,
the old narratives, and instead pick up something
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else. It's like, what is the thing that lights
me up? What is the thing that I could keep
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talking about, keep showing up for, keep doing
that I feel like I could do forever. I used
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to tell my kids this all the time, like whatever
it is you like love what you do because you're
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going to be doing it a long time and finding
the thing that you love so much. Like I've
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recorded 165 episodes now. It's just me. It's
still me. And I love it more now than I did
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at the beginning because I've released all
attachment to well, who could be listening?
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I have no idea. But showing up for yourself,
for me to show up for me over 165 episodes,
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I am not the same person. And that has been
an incredible gift. that has allowed me to
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find my voice. It's allowed me to find my opinions.
It's allowed me to find nuance, humor, or lack
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thereof. But only in showing up and doing the
thing. It'll allow me to do that. being, I
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think the other piece when we talked about like
the doors opening, I actually don't know when
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my spiritual awakening started. It might've
started at Kundalini yoga when I was like 25,
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but I will say that. The more that I've allowed
myself to be myself and for context, I love
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um Oracle cards. I love crystals. I love candles.
I love journaling. I love all of those things.
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And in my corporate world, I felt like none
of that was welcome because it really wasn't.
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but allowing myself to step into that and claim
for myself. These are the things that I love.
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This is how I like to work with myself. It's
enabled me to really step into that and own
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who I am more. And if other people don't
drive with that vibe with that, that's okay.
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That's not a problem at all. And I also feel
really called to touch on something we talked
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earlier about like helping people become their
own oracle, helping them find their own answers.
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And this is something we've talked about with
regard to like oracle cards. I just want to
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say like, however you get there. Yeah. However
you get there for yourself is not a problem.
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Yes. Right. It's the invitation here is to
have your awareness open to what is arounding
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what is around you, what is calling to you,
what is lighting you up, what is feeling good
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and say yes to that. And if you say yes to the
things that feel good, my senses, you're going
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to say no to the things that don't. And that
changes everything. It changes everything with
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the willingness, right? There has to be a willingness
to be there. And the universe is quite playful.
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It really is. really is. painful, but sometimes
playful. And honestly, I think when it becomes
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painful, it's because we've made it that way
for ourselves. 100%. Right? We've resisted
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the call or we've chosen to stay comfortable.
And I love that you bring up, like it does
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require a willingness because One of the things
that like the credence that I live by essentially
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is that when I'm guided to something, I follow
it. Now, it's not perfect every time. And this
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last year has definitely been a test in that
for me, right? I've probably been more defiant
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in the last year than any other time of my
life. But everyone's always like, but where's
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your free will in that? Where's your choice?
Where's your blah, blah, blah? It's in the
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decision, it's in the willingness, right? Because
I can be guided to anything in any given moment.
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Before I go or I don't, before I choose to
open the door or to turn my back to it or stay
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where I'm at or whatever, open a different door,
I am choosing with my willingness to say yes
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or no to something, right? Like my brain has
the last little bit. Now there's also, could,
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you and I have lots of conversations about ultimately
like what is free will and does it really exist?
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I think we need a whole. whole other podcast
episode for that. we don't want to scare the
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people off too quickly. But I ultimately believe
we're going to get there. Even if I say no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, what we've chosen for this
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life. That's the path that we have chosen.
At some point you should or get off the pot,
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right? So that willingness is such an important
piece, but we can be the more that we do
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that, right? The more that we step into that
willingness, the more that we make those conscious
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choices of, yes, I'm willing to lean in, I'm
willing to lean in, I'm willing to open the
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store, I'm willing to find out what's here,
I'm willing to follow the breadcrumbs. The
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easier it becomes to hear where we are called.
Yes, absolutely. easier it becomes to override
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the brain and all of the nonsense that it's
going to spew and all of the excuses and all
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of the limiting beliefs and all the doubts and
all of, right, the drama that it's going to
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bring to the table to present to us to say,
well, are we sure this is a good decision?
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Absolutely. And what you're touching on now
is this idea of meeting yourself in your own
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fear. Yeah. being willing to go down in the
depths of your own subconscious mind and see
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what like be curious enough, not not go there
and dysregulate yourself even more. Yeah. But
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to go there with a like curiosity is like, oh,
well, what does my brain think about this?
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Like, what is it actually afraid of? And what's
even deeper than that? Or what's underneath
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all of that? And if that did happen, what would
that mean? That curiosity is key. It's It's
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key if you're going to explore in a way that
will allow you to see what's there so that
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you can just see what's there. Because otherwise,
if we're not willing to take a peek at what's
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there, it's running the show. no, when we're
going in and we're trying to beat it into submission,
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right? We're only causing more havoc, more
chaos, more harm to our nervous system. to
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our mind, to our emotionality. So having that
open curiosity of like, I wonder why, why
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is this coming up? Why do I think this way?
you know, just that is, that's the balm, right?
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Like that is the balm. Instead of spraying freaking
astringent on your damn open wound, right?
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This is the that you get to rub in and really
allow it to do what it needs to do. to you.
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That's treating treating yourself like you would
a friend or I want, even want to invite us.
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This is something I've inviting myself to do
more of. I want to treat myself like someone
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I love because I would never treat you the
way that I treat me. That's a big one. It's
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a huge, it's a huge one. And so even just noticing,
like if you're have like the openness to be
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curious about what your subconscious is saying
to you, then also to have the the image or
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the invitation is to think about like, if this,
this fear has such a message for you, if I
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were to treat it like a little child, how would
I tend to that child in a way that like, of
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course it'd like, come here, darling. Of course
you're afraid of the dark. Of course you're
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afraid of your job loss. Of course you're afraid
of whatever it is, right? Like your business
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isn't meeting your targets or You're not reaching
the people that you want to reach, or you're
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not giving your medicine in the places that
you want to be able to give it, whatever that
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is, but really treating yourself with tenderness
and love, because I'm pretty damn sure at the
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end of this life, we're not going to be saying
anything other than like, wow, how kind was
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I to myself? How kind was I to other people?
Like, I think that could be a regret. know
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if we don't if we aren't tender and compassionate
with ourselves and I'm thinking about this
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Ram Dass quote, like the best thing I can do
for us, you and me, me and my husband, me
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and my kids, me and my community is to tend
to myself. It's so true. Like everything,
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everything starts within. and how we're able
to love and appreciate and treat others. It's
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also held back by how we're able to do the same
for ourselves, right? Like, I can't love big,
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I love big, but I know that I can love so much
more. I can give so much more when I am also
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tending to me. Yes, and you is your own best
resource. Right? Like that's you taking care
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of you, your vessel. And I know you do a great,
I, this is my, what I observe in you. You
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do a great job of that. See, that's the thing.
That's the, you're right on point here because
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I'm like, well, that's really nice. Cause that's
not what I say to myself in my head. Well,
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it's like, could do better. Well, and, I think
we can, can. Yes, I think we can. And I think
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there's also a nuance here. You know, just
because we can doesn't mean we should. Yeah.
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And that, and that goes back to the feeling,
right? Giving grace, giving compassion, loving
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ourselves, not pushing, being curious as to
what does, ah what does my body need? What
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does my soul need? What does my mind need?
And giving it to yourself, just like you would
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your kids, your team, your organization. Absolutely.
Yeah. We're going to. We're going to take a
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little squirrely turn here for a second. apologize.
Don't shoot the messenger. But this is, I don't
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know if you've shared this publicly or not yet.
It's okay. Right. um Forgive me if I say this
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the wrong way, but you have entered priestess
training, correct? Yes, I have. OK, did I say
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that right? is there like another way that you
prefer to? was like, do I mess that up?
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All right. Tell us about this, because I just
as someone who has seen you over the last
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year and listening to your story here on today's
episode, right? Like working in HR for 40
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years. Sounds quite dull, doesn't it? I mean,
yes, to each his own.
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I mean, writing instruction to my animals kind
of geeks me out because I like everything to
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me. That's probably my one line, but. Being
in the field of HR, being in this very corporate,
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very structured, very rigid space where, like
you said, talking about things like, hey, I
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like Oracle cards and crystals and journaling
would not have been welcome. Especially at
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that time period, think that we've here lately
in the last maybe not even quite the last decade,
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people are becoming more open to that in various
Places that maybe it wasn't as open before
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but especially when you were in corporate.
This was like no no no no The fourth very
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clear like you won't get fired. Okay? We're
gonna have to let you go um But being in that
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environment going into coaching where you're
like, this is it. I'm a coach. I'm helping
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people with their mindsets, right like going
full bore into like all sorts of spiritual
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explorations, if you will. And now here you
are, having just begun, well, it's October
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1st today, so last month, having just begun
priestess training.
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What kind of doors did you walk through to
get from there to here? Tell us about this.
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So it all starts with, um I think this is one
of the pivot points. So I want to tell this
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story and it's not very long of being six years
old and my parents, we had a home in Newfoundland
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01:02:20,516 --> 01:02:29,490
in Canada and that home burned down. I was six.
My brother was um two and we moved. And why
526
01:02:29,490 --> 01:02:34,923
that is important is because at six years old,
I had the wherewithal. I don't know how, I
527
01:02:34,923 --> 01:02:40,894
don't know where. I just knew that it happened,
that I would get out of my bed. on Sunday
528
01:02:40,894 --> 01:02:46,257
morning and I would go, we lived in a trailer
park and I would go and I would put myself
529
01:02:46,278 --> 01:02:51,701
on this bus and they would take me to church.
And I went there at first for the bubble gum,
530
01:02:52,121 --> 01:03:02,797
not gonna lie. And I kept going and that becomes
important because I believe that was my, like
531
01:03:02,797 --> 01:03:12,647
my inner, if I use this like woo term, inner
mystic, inner. Oracle inner intuition that
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01:03:12,647 --> 01:03:18,029
was speaking to me that was guiding me to what
I came here to be a part of, but I didn't know
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01:03:18,029 --> 01:03:23,682
it then. And then I'll, set that down and then
I picked that up later on in life. After I've
534
01:03:23,682 --> 01:03:31,215
had my kids, we are, I've converted to being
a Catholic and they needed volunteers to
535
01:03:31,215 --> 01:03:37,527
teach children, religious education. And again,
this call in me to, okay, I was like, wow,
536
01:03:37,527 --> 01:03:43,522
how do I do this? I've got. a full-time job,
I already volunteer, and now I'm going to add
537
01:03:43,582 --> 01:03:49,917
more volunteer work on top of that. And so I
led religious education for the parish that
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I was a part of for probably 10 years. And
in my summer vacation, I studied at St. Paul
539
01:03:57,233 --> 01:04:04,219
University in Ottawa for my summer vacation.
Like this sounds like a good stack. So lots
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01:04:04,219 --> 01:04:11,828
of people would say that is crazy. And I would
say, yes, and. I was fed in a way that I was
541
01:04:11,849 --> 01:04:19,875
never fed. And that just fueled me in such
a way that it just felt so good. It felt delightful.
542
01:04:19,875 --> 01:04:24,309
It felt like I was in the right place, doing
the right thing with the right people. And
543
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:33,257
I had this glimmer of that to hang on to. Then
fast forward. Kids don't need that anymore.
544
01:04:33,257 --> 01:04:38,334
That's all finished. I stopped volunteering
there. Other people pick it up. I go back to
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01:04:38,334 --> 01:04:48,350
my corporate job, life goes on, bunch of moves,
transitions, um divorce happens, a move, and
546
01:04:48,350 --> 01:04:55,333
then here I am. And so when, I, as I settle
into becoming a coach, as I settle into helping
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01:04:55,333 --> 01:05:02,847
people, as I settle into answering some of
these questions for myself, it gets quiet.
548
01:05:04,148 --> 01:05:11,189
Life isn't as busy. Life is more fun. Life is
more adventurous. And then I could hear this
549
01:05:11,189 --> 01:05:15,613
like, there's this desire for something, there's
ritual, there's symbol, there's things that
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01:05:15,613 --> 01:05:29,078
I love that I'm not participating in. And so
I don't even know how I came across. your
551
01:05:29,078 --> 01:05:36,441
website. don't know how I got, mean, all different
programs that I was in, guess, but also ended
552
01:05:36,441 --> 01:05:42,394
up taking this program through the Institute
of intuitive intelligence. At the same time,
553
01:05:42,394 --> 01:05:48,406
I'm working with you, you're teaching me in
your program, how to connect to my intuition.
554
01:05:49,058 --> 01:05:56,810
And then I feel very called to take this program,
which is the intuitive intelligence method
555
01:05:56,810 --> 01:06:01,908
program. which is about meeting and releasing
your subconscious fear, which I had a lot of.
556
01:06:01,908 --> 01:06:07,011
And it was doing that in a way that's like
doing that on the daily, doing that with a
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01:06:07,011 --> 01:06:15,046
frequency that would allow me to build my own
belief in myself. And I finished that program
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01:06:15,046 --> 01:06:21,650
in May and the next level was high priestess.
And I was like, I don't even know what that
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01:06:21,650 --> 01:06:30,248
is, but I know that I'm saying yes to that.
And what that is in my understanding is an
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01:06:30,248 --> 01:06:37,052
ability. this is just me telling you transparently
right here, right now. I have no idea what
561
01:06:37,052 --> 01:06:46,016
this next 12 months will change in me. I have
no idea what will happen. I have no idea what
562
01:06:46,016 --> 01:06:53,541
will not happen. I have no idea what it will
look like. And it's all okay. It's all welcome
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01:06:53,541 --> 01:07:00,510
to be there as well as my discomfort. I have
been sitting in the discomfort of that. It
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01:07:00,510 --> 01:07:09,075
will require me to know myself in ways that
I have never known myself. And I'm looking
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01:07:09,075 --> 01:07:16,689
forward to that because just like sitting there
in that room, listening to people talk about
566
01:07:16,869 --> 01:07:22,312
the ability to create a podcast, I know that
there will be ideas, there will be thoughts,
567
01:07:22,992 --> 01:07:34,132
there will be doors that I can open. If I choose.
And that to me is incredibly exciting, expensive.
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01:07:34,912 --> 01:07:42,274
And I'm looking forward to that and challenging
myself in new ways. I still, I still need to
569
01:07:42,274 --> 01:07:48,756
work with it with my discomfort. We all do.
think lifelong process, but I think it's also
570
01:07:48,776 --> 01:07:55,158
deciding for yourself. What is your own, if
I could be Frank, when my brain's an asshole
571
01:07:55,158 --> 01:08:01,821
to me, which it is. to know that for myself,
okay, I know you're being an asshole right
572
01:08:01,821 --> 01:08:10,007
now. And what am I going to do about it? How
long am I willing for? How long am I willing
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01:08:10,007 --> 01:08:14,681
to allow my brain to be an asshole right now,
before I'm going to get out and take some inspired
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01:08:14,681 --> 01:08:21,647
action? And I'm using inspired action on purpose
because that when I feel inspired, that feels
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01:08:21,647 --> 01:08:28,489
like I'm following my lit upness. I'm following
what feels good to me. m inspired action and
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01:08:28,489 --> 01:08:37,221
action in and of itself isn't inspiring to
me. inspired action, when I feel like I've
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01:08:37,221 --> 01:08:48,854
just been kissed by the universe, that's the
frequency. That's the lit upness. Yes. Yes.
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01:08:48,854 --> 01:08:54,338
I feel like a good like take caves, like I
could be like caves, let me go deeper, deeper,
579
01:08:54,338 --> 01:09:02,271
deeper. There's more here, there's more here.
And it's all like, let's know ourselves as
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01:09:02,271 --> 01:09:08,194
the powerful creators we are, who don't need
a Lego box. Yeah.
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01:09:12,076 --> 01:09:20,489
Yes. And I think that it's important to stress,
I really want to stress this for those listening,
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01:09:20,570 --> 01:09:30,344
that it's not about, something pops into my
awareness and I just know, I know that I'm
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01:09:30,344 --> 01:09:34,886
going do it. It's not about, but what is this
going to lead to? Well, what is that going
584
01:09:34,886 --> 01:09:39,618
to look like? Well, let me sort all that out
before I make a decision. It's like, when you
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01:09:39,618 --> 01:09:46,002
just know, I'm saying yes to this. That is
your intuition guiding you. That is the universe
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01:09:46,002 --> 01:09:52,144
saying this is meant for you and all of the
various parts and pieces are meant for you.
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01:09:52,144 --> 01:09:59,167
There's something, so many things in this
journey. Just have that willingness to go.
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01:09:59,507 --> 01:10:07,349
Just have that willingness to say yes without
needing any more information except the fact
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01:10:07,349 --> 01:10:13,082
that you know this is meant for you. That's
it. That's all you need. The request for more
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01:10:13,082 --> 01:10:20,962
information is always your brain. Yes. 100 %
of the time. It always wants to know more,
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01:10:21,182 --> 01:10:26,882
know how, know when, know all the things. Right?
Always. Because it provides the brain safety.
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01:10:27,622 --> 01:10:33,122
And when we know that, when we have that understanding
and that awareness, our brain is going to naturally
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01:10:33,122 --> 01:10:37,742
do that. It's going to naturally want to know
the how, the why, the what, the where, the
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01:10:37,742 --> 01:10:43,054
when. It's going to want to know everything.
Some of the times when it's like investing
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01:10:43,054 --> 01:10:48,094
in different things. It's like I immediately
feel yes, but like I don't have that in my
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01:10:48,094 --> 01:10:54,734
bank account right now. Great. And you don't
have to worry about it. Right. It sounds so
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01:10:54,734 --> 01:11:00,354
just like Blase, but that's the truth. Right.
Yes. If something is meant for you, the universe
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01:11:00,354 --> 01:11:06,754
is also going to provide a way for that to occur
for you exactly when you're meant to have it.
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01:11:06,854 --> 01:11:11,951
And so the willingness to just say yes. and
then go to the next inspired thing and the
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01:11:11,951 --> 01:11:16,894
next inspired thing and the next inspired thing,
you're going to find that it just shows up,
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01:11:17,114 --> 01:11:27,760
right? Even when you're asked to sell your house.
Oh my gosh. So much trust and willingness
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01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:35,046
had to be there for that process. Yeah, it's
really about.
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01:11:38,604 --> 01:11:44,078
Just be willing. we have time to share quickly
that story? Yeah, go ahead. Because I feel
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01:11:44,078 --> 01:11:51,623
like we just opened up a door. So what I just
jumped in there with is there was a really
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01:11:51,623 --> 01:11:58,648
strong intuition within me um to speak to my
husband last year and say, we have been trying
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01:11:58,648 --> 01:12:09,117
to move to New Brunswick where we are now since
COVID. My intuition kept speaking to me. His
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01:12:09,117 --> 01:12:13,079
intuition kept speaking to him. And last year
we made the decision to sell the house. And
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01:12:13,079 --> 01:12:18,711
so we put up the house for sale in uh late August
or something like that. And we moved in December
609
01:12:18,951 --> 01:12:27,035
and we had no house to come to. And the entire
time, of the guidance that I kept getting
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01:12:27,035 --> 01:12:34,586
is it'll unfold, it'll unfold, it'll unfold,
it'll unfold just when it's meant to. And literally
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01:12:34,727 --> 01:12:38,869
I got here in New Brunswick on December the
7th. My husband came on December the 11th.
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01:12:40,710 --> 01:12:46,734
By the following four days, we had purchased
a house and it would not have been through
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01:12:46,754 --> 01:12:52,867
any traditional means. did not buy a real realtor
at all. We knew a realtor. We were in a location
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01:12:52,867 --> 01:12:57,380
we really liked. I just sent out a Facebook
message and got five responses, just asking
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01:12:57,380 --> 01:13:02,706
anybody planning on selling their house. We
had rented a place for a month. We had to rent
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01:13:02,706 --> 01:13:08,290
it again for another month. And we were in
our home from December the 7th to February
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01:13:08,290 --> 01:13:17,265
the 7th. And it was almost like the universe
just swapped us here. That's not a very eloquent
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01:13:17,265 --> 01:13:21,198
word, but it's almost like it's like, yes,
of course we're going to take care of that.
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01:13:21,358 --> 01:13:28,974
We just need you to get out of the way. Yes.
Stop rehearsing everything. Stop. planning
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01:13:28,974 --> 01:13:36,136
everything, stop trying to have mental gymnastics
over everything. Get out of way. That's the
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01:13:36,176 --> 01:13:45,609
biggest bone that I have, is that our mind
can only operate in perceived limitations.
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01:13:45,609 --> 01:13:51,620
My guides said that to me years ago, and they
have said it again and again and again in client
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01:13:51,620 --> 01:13:56,752
situations, in reels, and all kinds of stuff.
Our mind can only operate in perceived limitations,
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01:13:56,752 --> 01:14:05,774
which means Our brain only knows what it knows.
As of here, this moment, right now, all of
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01:14:05,774 --> 01:14:09,066
the data and all the information and all the
circumstances and the situations and the experiences
626
01:14:09,066 --> 01:14:14,954
that it's collected, that's all it knows. So
for someone like you, who's gonna go and sell
627
01:14:14,954 --> 01:14:19,802
their house and buy their house, well, guess
what? A brain knows, unless you are an infant
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01:14:19,802 --> 01:14:23,784
and you have not had any experience in the retail
industry, like the real estate industry, right?
629
01:14:23,784 --> 01:14:30,203
Not retail. But our brain knows that... Okay,
we put the house on the market. We search for
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01:14:30,203 --> 01:14:36,240
homes. We've got maybe a contingency, right?
Because we gotta make sure that we have a
631
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:41,045
house to go to before we move out of our house.
And then we've got, know, like, there's all
632
01:14:41,045 --> 01:14:53,343
these very step-by-step protocols. That is
the limitation. Our brain is perceiving limitations.
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01:14:53,884 --> 01:14:59,758
It's perceiving that it cannot happen outside
of this way of doing it. And when we step
634
01:14:59,758 --> 01:15:08,196
back and we let go and we just allow and we
surrender to the process and we go, okay, I
635
01:15:08,196 --> 01:15:14,411
have no fucking clue how this is gonna happen.
And it definitely looks and it might feel
636
01:15:14,411 --> 01:15:20,214
definitely to my... anxious mind and body that
it's not going to happen. But I'm just, I'm
637
01:15:20,214 --> 01:15:25,579
going to continue to bring myself back to that
knowing, that trust, that surrender, that faith,
638
01:15:25,799 --> 01:15:32,315
right? Then we allow the process to unfold the
way that it's meant to. I have seen very clearly
639
01:15:32,315 --> 01:15:41,163
in my life when I have forced an outcome, it
never ends well, ever. And sometimes we
640
01:15:41,163 --> 01:15:46,233
have to like, Okay, now we gotta take a little
trip on that path before the path circles,
641
01:15:46,233 --> 01:15:50,766
you know, back into the path that we're there
and there's something there for us, right?
642
01:15:52,507 --> 01:16:00,110
But I've also seen the power of surrender.
And nine times out of 10, especially when there's
643
01:16:00,190 --> 01:16:07,788
a timestamp on things, it is going to look like
it is not coming through until the 11th hour.
644
01:16:10,220 --> 01:16:18,625
And we have to stay steadfast to the faith and
the trust that what we know internally to be
645
01:16:18,625 --> 01:16:28,441
true, not in our mind, but in our intuition,
in our connection. that there's truth in that
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01:16:28,441 --> 01:16:34,020
there's power in that right we give our power
away to our mind we go in and we fuck shit
647
01:16:34,020 --> 01:16:39,238
up well it's incredible power and i think i
don't know if this is true for all of us but
648
01:16:39,238 --> 01:16:46,511
i sense that it is Most of us within our heart
of hearts know that we're going to be okay.
649
01:16:47,292 --> 01:16:53,244
Yeah. And that's the thing, like what is okay?
What's the definition of okay? Because so
650
01:16:53,244 --> 01:16:57,886
many people expect that, okay, if I'm led to
something, if I'm guided to something, it's
651
01:16:57,886 --> 01:17:03,149
going to mean that it's going to be roses and
daisies and unicorns and teddy bears. It doesn't
652
01:17:03,149 --> 01:17:08,911
mean that. Right. But ultimately at the end
of the day, it's like, um, what is there's
653
01:17:08,911 --> 01:17:15,187
that movie? I think it's the hangover. Um, but
this guy is like driving crazy and doing all
654
01:17:15,187 --> 01:17:19,539
this crazy shit. he's like, everybody's freaking
out, you know? And he's like, but did you die?
655
01:17:19,539 --> 01:17:28,846
Yeah, universe is going, but did you die? Like
calm down, Susan, put your pants back on.
656
01:17:28,913 --> 01:17:37,096
It's okay. Buckle up. We're going for a ride.
Right? That's like when my youngest, he gets
657
01:17:37,096 --> 01:17:42,991
so, he does not like to be in the car for a
long time. He never has. And like, I remember
658
01:17:42,991 --> 01:17:48,393
trips to grandma's house. They were only like
15 minute drive when we lived closer to her.
659
01:17:49,454 --> 01:17:56,058
And for him, it felt like eons. our oldest,
our daughter actually convinced him one day
660
01:17:56,058 --> 01:18:00,370
that we were driving, that he had entered Alaska.
They'd gone like 40 minutes down the road.
661
01:18:00,370 --> 01:18:05,253
And he's like, I'm in Alaska. We're in Kansas.
No, we're definitely, we're in the same town
662
01:18:05,253 --> 01:18:10,165
that you live in. Okay. But you know, when
we're younger, everything seems longer, bigger,
663
01:18:10,446 --> 01:18:18,751
older, et cetera. And just getting him to sit
back and enjoy the ride. Where are we going?
664
01:18:19,051 --> 01:18:24,466
What are we doing? Why are we there yet? Can
I know? Why can't I know? What do I need to
665
01:18:24,466 --> 01:18:28,890
know? Why won't you just tell me if you'll just
tell me I just, you know, like he's always
666
01:18:28,890 --> 01:18:34,835
needed to know everything needed to. He has
a line for two. He's he's got a line for in
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01:18:34,835 --> 01:18:39,399
his human design to realizing like having the
plan, understanding the plan. we the plan?
668
01:18:39,399 --> 01:18:46,497
Right. But It's like the universe is literally
like, just get in, buckle up. It's going to
669
01:18:46,497 --> 01:18:54,703
be fine. And be present. Yeah. Like I remember
as a kid playing I Spy in the Car or like Slugbug,
670
01:18:55,003 --> 01:19:01,187
you know? All things that are kids today. is
hard. like, yeah, they miss out on those
671
01:19:01,187 --> 01:19:08,072
things. And I'm like, just be present. It taught
us so much, right? And it'll continue to teach
672
01:19:08,072 --> 01:19:13,634
us every single day the more present that we
become. And that's the work is to come back
673
01:19:13,634 --> 01:19:20,814
to that present moment, giving yourself what
you need. Cause that's when you hear water.
674
01:19:20,954 --> 01:19:25,614
That's when you hear intuition. That's what
you hear when you hear what you're called to
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01:19:25,614 --> 01:19:32,214
and what that's when I heard it might be a really
good idea to put a message on Facebook. Yes.
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01:19:32,494 --> 01:19:36,554
And then when I talk to other people about it,
they're like, ah, I don't know. And I'm like,
677
01:19:36,574 --> 01:19:43,131
well, what have I got to lose? Yeah. Nothing.
But had you not been allowing yourself to be
678
01:19:43,952 --> 01:19:51,995
present, to be nurturing yourself, open to whatever
way it's going to work out, that wouldn't have
679
01:19:51,995 --> 01:19:57,077
dropped into you to like, and it not that it
wouldn't have dropped in, but your mind may
680
01:19:57,077 --> 01:20:01,629
not have recognized it, it may have just pushed
it aside and gone, well, that's never going
681
01:20:01,629 --> 01:20:06,061
to work. Who puts out a question on them? It
would have filtered it out. Random strangers.
682
01:20:06,161 --> 01:20:13,694
Yeah, it would have filtered it out. Yeah. This
is so exciting. I am very excited. I have had
683
01:20:13,694 --> 01:20:20,414
very specific visions of you. In fact, um just
a couple of days ago, it might've even been
684
01:20:20,414 --> 01:20:33,277
yesterday, uh a vision dropped in of you after
priestess training. And I am just so elated
685
01:20:34,298 --> 01:20:44,225
for you to get to experience this next chapter
of your life and what it's going to bring to
686
01:20:44,225 --> 01:20:53,771
you and for you and through you. It's like,
what's the word? The conglomeration, is that
687
01:20:53,771 --> 01:21:00,755
what it is? Like grabbing all, like it's like
all of the pieces. coming together in their
688
01:21:00,755 --> 01:21:07,979
fullness. And I'm so excited to witness this.
How can people get ahold of you? I'm in it
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01:21:07,979 --> 01:21:13,322
for the journey. I'm in it for the journey.
I think all of it all learn to be more like
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01:21:13,322 --> 01:21:19,166
that, to just be in it for the journey. I think
it will all just be better off. Well, I think
691
01:21:19,166 --> 01:21:24,509
I mean, that that's my hope for everyone is
to be in it for the journey and just experience
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01:21:24,509 --> 01:21:29,927
what you have. Somebody said the other day,
like, smell the roses, stop and smell the roses.
693
01:21:30,608 --> 01:21:37,561
And we don't, we don't. And I think we could
all be better at that, myself included. I'm
694
01:21:37,561 --> 01:21:42,774
certainly not going to say that I have it all
figured out because that would just be so far
695
01:21:42,774 --> 01:21:49,488
from the truth. But I've, if I've learned anything
over, over my almost 60 years, it's to be present
696
01:21:49,488 --> 01:21:55,501
as much as you can be kind to yourself as much
as you can and others, because when you are,
697
01:21:55,501 --> 01:22:04,177
it just, emanates from you. And that's that
fuels goodness in the world at a time when
698
01:22:04,177 --> 01:22:13,615
we need that more than anything else. We don't
need more fear, we need more love. How can
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01:22:13,615 --> 01:22:22,142
people get ahold of me? Well, depends on whatever
platforms. um I'm on LinkedIn, Cynthia Jameson,
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01:22:22,643 --> 01:22:28,475
Cynthia Jameson coach on Instagram, either
of those two things. will pop you into my world.
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Hello. And you have a podcast. So it is no
longer called who are you to lead anyway. It
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is called Uncharted and Unfiltered, a Journey
Back to You because that's the journey I'm
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on. Yes. to remembering, remembering. all the
things that I've forgotten. Yeah. Now you
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have a website, but you're in Canada. I am.
So what is your website? It is CynthiaJamisonCoach.ca
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and it's Jamison with an I-E. Okay, perfect.
I'm going to link all of these things in the
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show notes so people can connect with you,
hear more of your wisdom, get to soak in all
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the goodness from your podcast and your socials.
And check out your Can I extend them an invitation?
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Yeah, please do. I also have created a community.
That's right. Be the light community. And
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I just want to shout out to Crystal here because
she has been such an incredible guide that
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has supported me in the creation of that community.
And it's a free community. It's for people
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who want to live and lead and be the light.
for themselves, for others, so that we can
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shine a light for other people to find their
way. So if that speaks to you, come in, join
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us. I'm so excited to see what will unfold in
that community. Yes. Okay. I will include the
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link for Be the Light as well. It's a good place
to be. can just say that. And I want to say
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thank you for this beautiful invitation and
this incredible conversation. It's been an
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honor and a privilege to spend time with you.
Thank you. You as well. I always love getting
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to talk to you. Oh, I know this won't be the
last time because we have many more exciting
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things to talk about. Yes, we do. Oh, thank
you so much, Cynthia. Thank you so much. Take
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care. You too. That's a wrap on this week's
episode. We'll see you back here next week.
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In the meantime, for all things psychic development,
head to our website at theschoolforsychics.com
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and check out our opportunities. You can find
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